Release 8.2

Steve -- After you guys work out the issue with L3 Lynx FIS-B and TIS-B displaying on IFDs (see http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=849&PN=2&title=connecting-with-an-ngt-9000), will that also provide a ready pathway to also enabling L3 Lynx FIS-B and TIS-B data displayed on the EX5000C (after R8.2 is installed)?

Edited by Catani - 22 Jul 2016 at 7:38pm

Just answered a similar question on a different thread.   Here's the cut and paste from that:

Any updates on the progress of the 8.2 software?

Any news about the 8.2 MFD update? When will it be available?

LarryPetro wrote: In the IFD thread, AviTJ states this morning, "... In fact, our recent releases into legacy products of R9, Entegra and EX500/600 MFDs this month has effectively extended the useful life in these products that were initially created long before ADS-B was a topic of conversation." http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1444&PID=17920&title=ifd-1021-bug-fix-release-timing#17920 What is this month's Entegra release?  R8.2?  I have missed any announcements about Entegra releases. Thanks.

AviTJ wrote: LarryPetro wrote: In the IFD thread, AviTJ states this morning, "... In fact, our recent releases into legacy products of R9, Entegra and EX500/600 MFDs this month has effectively extended the useful life in these products that were initially created long before ADS-B was a topic of conversation." http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1444&PID=17920&title=ifd-1021-bug-fix-release-timing#17920 What is this month's Entegra release?  R8.2?  I have missed any announcements about Entegra releases. Thanks. 8.2 hasn't been officially released yet Larry, but it is very, very close.  I'm certain we'll be announcing it very soon.

Catani wrote: I received an email from this forum indicating a new message from Ibraham was posted yesterday, which was a follow up to a message posted by billyhasat@gmail.com regarding the approval of Release 8.2 by the FAA.  But that Cirrus had to approve it, which they say they will not do. While the two messages are interesting and present a conundrum for Cirrus owners, my question is, why are they not appearing on this forum?  I seem to remember something like this happening before on another forum as well.  Puzzling. Would also request input from Avidyne as to where this leaves Release 8.2 for those of us with EX5000 MFDs in the panel.

Avidyne has completed the TSO of software 8.2 with EX5000, however, the OEM is the holder of the TC and must provide further approval.  Avidyne has communicated to the OEMs that the software is available and will continue to engage them to support our customers.  We recommend owners/dealers also reach out to the OEM for assistance.

Edited by AviSteve - 26 Apr 2018 at 10:21am

Release 8.2 incorporates ADS-B traffic and weather.  Yes, installation approval must be granted by the holder of the type certificate, so you'll have to contact them.

LarryPetro wrote: AviSteve wrote: Release 8.2 incorporates ADS-B traffic and weather.  Yes, installation approval must be granted by the holder of the type certificate, so you'll have to contact them. Thanks, Steve. So, looking back through this thread, unless I have a SkyTrax 100, or want to gamble on another ADS-B IN device interfacing correctly to the EX5000, R8.2 provides no improvements over R8.1.  Correct? -Larry

AviSteve wrote: Release 8.2 incorporates ADS-B traffic and weather.  Yes, installation approval must be granted by the holder of the type certificate, so you'll have to contact them.

Steve,

Thanks for the info, I wish it was posted here as we have been "patiently" waiting for 8.2 for 2 years, now we have to wait for Cirrus to approve, hopefully they will do it soon. I wish things were simpler.

Ibraham wrote: Hello Jake, With release 8.2, would the EX5000 interface with the Garmin GTX 345 to display traffic (once Cirrus approves it)? Since IFD 440 release 10.2.1 removed aural alerts for traffic which was the main reason for installing ADS-B in for us, and the Skytrax 100 no longer being supported or updated, we are considering the  GTX 345. The GTX 345 independently announces traffic through the intercom with bearing, distance  and relative altitude.  Thank you Ibrahim

Melohn wrote: Steve, Given you guys support the GTX345 with the IFD navigators, presumably someone at Avidyne knows whether they output the right “Capstone” compatible message, right? This is literally a $1000 question for many people considering the 8.2 MFD software upgrade. Does Castone compatibility also include ADS-B weather from the 345? Thanks!

I contacted Cirrus regarding revision 8.2, this is the reply from field service:

Steve,

Hi Steve...

Thanks Steve!

Still waiting for Cirrus and Avidyne to agree on a solution for release 8.2, hopefully they will work together instead of shifting the blame on who should approve it for release to the customers.

I deal with this same issue at work (not Avidyne/Textron, but same issue).  The equipment manufacturer designs and certifies a new software, then the airframe manufacturer (TC holder) has to certify that software and provide a service bulletin before the operator can load it and use the new features.

Edited by DavidBunin - 30 May 2018 at 3:10pm

It is really an unfortunate unintended consequence of tieing the avionics suite to the type data certificate. I'm not sure anyone considered the future effects of this. It becomes extremely problematic with low volume airframes where the business case for an STC is very difficult and likely unprofitable.

This will be an interesting space to watch in the future and one that we as pilot / owners should bring forward to the FAA or to one of the alphabet organizations like the Columbia type club, or AOPA, or someone like that.

to blame for what?

Ibraham, I think there is a little misplaced frustration here. I'll give you the product development delays of 8.2 - no argument here. However, it is now available to be used.

Let's take a step back and look at the integrated panel and how the manufacturer, the FAA, and the Avionics manufacturer connect together. Avidyne created an integrated panel, much the same as Garmin has done with the G1000 system, or Honeywell has done for larger airframes. There is no legal ability to install these into an aircraft without an STC (as some have done with the G1000 system for King Air for example) or as part of the Type Data Certificate held by the airframe manufacturer. In the case of Textron, they built hold the certificate for the Columbia/Corvalis airframes, and therefore, they are the only ones that can approve updates and substitutions unless a 3rd party creates an STC.

The blame is squarely on Textron on this one, much the same as they have orphaned the original G1000 platform where they haven't approved software updates to allow ADS-B solutions to the G1000 and have said they don't plan to. Their solution is to add a Garmin GTX345 rather than update the software and integrated hardware.

Textron is terrible at supporting GA aircraft and it is extremely frustrating for us owners. This is where your blame should be place, not with Avidyne. Avidyne has completed the software update and it is available - Textron chooses not to approve it for installation into your airframe.

Edited by Gring - 31 May 2018 at 10:07am

Thanks for the information, it has been a very frustrating 2 years, the main reason for our avionics upgrade was to have traffic, we were reassured by the Avidyne sales rep that with a simple software upgrade that was in development at the time, we would have traffic on the MFD.  We were not expecting that would take 2 years  and then being told that the aircraft manufacturer has to approve the update.